, loving versus virginia, 1967, the case that said states could no longer ban racial intermarriage, that was a big deal at the time. and there were still 19 states where racial intermarriage was illegal, when barack obama's parents got married in 1960 in hawaii. so the country changed. and that law is not only unconstitutional now, it's unthinkable. and the question is, is same-sex marriage moving in the same direction? at the moment, it does. but it's certainly not there yet. >> jeffrey, i know you don't like to make predictions about these things, but what do you think is going to happen? do you have any idea? >> well, i think the most likely result is that the court will overturn the defense of marriage act, will say that that law is so discriminatory, it's unconstitutional. the proposition 8 case is a much tougher call. there are a lot more moving parts. they could rule just in california, they could rule for the whole country. they could dodge the issue on procedural grounds. so that one, i'm not even going to venture a guess on. >> all right. again, thank you, jeffrey toobin.